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Post by The Ascendant on Apr 12, 2006 14:53:03 GMT -5
No no. Monks have to be Lawful as the primary ethos, whereas Druids should be Neutral. What I was suggesting is having a character who perhaps switched alignment and/or Deity, starting as a Monk (cuz lets face it, the only good levels are 1-2) who became a Druid. The WIS will help the Druid in Wild Shape as would the natural attacks and Flurry of Blows.
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Post by lawfather on Apr 12, 2006 15:01:05 GMT -5
Right out of the SRD for Druid:
Alignment: Neutral good, lawful neutral, neutral, chaotic neutral, or neutral evil
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Post by The Ascendant on Apr 12, 2006 15:07:15 GMT -5
booo on LN Druids...what do they do? Keep zoo animals safe and clean the park!?!? Basically, they are hippies....I HATE HIPPIES! What I mean is that there isnt a good Deity in FR for a LN Druid...I guess Chauntea could kind of work...
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Post by lawfather on Apr 12, 2006 15:10:22 GMT -5
LN Druid = One who holds his own standards of what nature should be. He is the gardener who takes what nature gives him and turns the beauty given into the beauty it is capable of. He is the polisher of gems, the fertilizer of lawns and the punisher of those who walk on the grass
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Post by The Ascendant on Apr 12, 2006 15:11:05 GMT -5
bahahahaha!! That would own!!
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Post by DM Cyphus on Apr 12, 2006 15:16:59 GMT -5
Ditto to Bill above there...would Lawful Neutral not work... My initial concept is a character with: A deep respect for honor and trustworthiness as well as proper authority. A love of the traditions of both his order and his druidic circle (possibly the same...still workin' on that). A desire for personal order above all else. A hatred of personal chaos which is often nothing more than destructive rather than creative or frutiful. Anyhow...that's what I'm toying with at the moment. I think too often we worry about law v. chaos as a society rather than for personal standards. He'd be a very orderly person, not worrying about the lack of a proper government. People must achieve personal order themselves, not through delegation. Chaos in nature is understandable, but amongst the intelligent races it should be frowned upon. Chaos is generally more destructive than anything, and often for personal reasons rather than natural. Anyway...this post got interrupted by work. lol Don't remember where I was going with this...I'll send you my initial stuff here a little later. Still playin' around with it, haven't made a definitive decision just yet. Also trying to balance that with keepin' you boys in the devil-killin' business.
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Post by The Ascendant on Apr 12, 2006 17:50:23 GMT -5
buahahaha... you mean Devil raping business... Im totally cool with the concept, but you might want to look at the deity Shiallia, a minor deity who focuses on Renewal and Nature, plus uses the Quarterstaff...she is NG and minor enough you could dictate her dogma. Eldath would be another really cool deity while the earth (Grumbar) deity and Silvanus are other options that would work.
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Post by lawfather on Apr 13, 2006 13:35:54 GMT -5
I was reading through my FRCS last night. I -love- the godess Mielikki for a druid/ranger combo. Druid w/ a composite longbow, Greatclub and metal armor... kick ass!
She's so totally being my patron deity when I Druid up!
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Post by DM Cyphus on Apr 13, 2006 13:37:56 GMT -5
Ugh...still working on this. I've got a fun concept...just trying to determine how best to go about making it work. I'm thinking I'll probably wind up staying away from the Monk/Druid combo...I'd love to have the Wildshape capability and some reasonable spellcasting capability...but I'm not sure I can make it fly. I think I might go more Monk/Ranger combo...I'm starting to like Grumbar a bit...and his "clergy," so to speak, consist of Clerics, Monks and Rangers. So that little combo would wind up making the most sense. Though there are some odd restrictions on the clergy...not that I'd actually be a member of the clergy, rather just a worshipper of the deity. Anyway...there's some stuff that I like from Grumbar I'm thinking of combining with a Monk/Ranger build. This would be a more story-driven combo than anything...but I think I could pick up some nice ranged feats to make him a decent combatant when it calls for ranged attacks and also a capable melee combatant. The Rangers BAB progression basically means that, if done right, the Monk's flurries are still as plentiful but more accurate. Only thing that will suck will be the AC factor. There's magic available to boost it, but assuming that goes...so too does my Monk, basically. lol
Also...WHO dare say that the first two Monk levels are the only worthwhile levels! Bah, I say! Bah! One of my favorite characters was a high level Monk capable of unarmed hurt-bringin' capability! Only thing I ever wasn't sure on was becoming an Outsider at level 20. Could never decide if that helped or hindered the Monk.
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Post by lawfather on Apr 13, 2006 13:38:15 GMT -5
Real question is: Archery or Two Handed.
Before it would have been a no brainer as Druids can't use bows. But now... archery is tempting.
However consider a dual club wielding druid with brambles on both! That's +20 damage!!!
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Post by DM Cyphus on Apr 13, 2006 13:39:19 GMT -5
I don't think the Druid can use the metal armor...even if it does multiclass...right? Or is there something I'm missing with Mielikki or a feat somewhere? lol Personally, I always really liked that restriction on the Druid. I'd be a little disappointed if there was some easy out to that. lol
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Post by lawfather on Apr 13, 2006 13:41:45 GMT -5
If you're a druid follower of Mielikki, she allows the druids to use all weapons and armors usually usable by Rangers in their spiritual oaths!!!!
All simple and martial. All light and medium armor and shields
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Post by lawfather on Apr 13, 2006 13:50:09 GMT -5
As for the monk outsider thing... I was luke warm on it. The DR was nice in theroy except when you compared it to the Barb, then it was uber sucky... 1/-magic vs 5/-
The whole can't hold person on me sucked too because by the time you were a level 20 monk you had a +30 SR. What caster in their right mind tries a simple hold person on a monk anyway? If you're going to risk the DR (especially when with there speed they can be on you almost instantly [dimension door too, remember]) Go for the finger of death or power word kill instead of stupid "hold person"
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Post by DM Cyphus on Apr 13, 2006 14:02:29 GMT -5
Yeah...but even by then the Monk's saves are all huge...they're very effective against spellcasters without being spellcasters...and can hold their own against other combat-oriented classes. I don't know...that speed is the biggest thing for them really, IMO. Being able to outrun your enemy is always useful. Especially when you can take a move action that takes you further than most folks double move.
Anyhow...maybe I'll wind up goin' straight Monk...without the Druid, I can go for a good-aligned Monk. Hmmm...principled, but not zealous...maybe a Monk that worships Ilmaeter. Could even snag a level of cleric to get the nice Renewal domain power and a cure light spell for here and there. lol
I'm considering a +1 race...so I'm gonna wind up being behind anyway. lol
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Post by jamondashwood on Apr 13, 2006 14:07:22 GMT -5
Hard to do that with a monk. They must be lawful.
So you're either
A: Goody goody two shoes, answering every cry of "Help my cat is stuck in a tree."
B: A devotee of your art. As apt to take the day off from saving the world, because you've missed two training days this week and you feel like your skills are suffering. Regardless if today is the day the Dracolitches attack crushing the capitol of Narfell to the ground. Next time evil things attack, have them call ahead so you can plan your training around them.
C: Out for Power! Hell you might be leading the Dracolitches!
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